we must reinvent love

[reflectedeve]

Last night I hung out with hermionesviolin, and totally got defensive about the word "emo" (it totally has no meaning anymore, I swear, but anyway MCR do not qualify). Poor Lisbet; she is so understanding of my crazy. Oh, this fandom. <3

I should work on one of my comics this weekend--or probably that anthology submission I've been putting off--but instead, I'm apparently going to write fic. I don't remember the last time I wrote fic that wasn't for yuletide (or comica_obscura, the one time).

Speaking of which, flist, do many of you read much genderfuck? I've noticed that, in many (probably most) of the boy-randomly-wakes-up-female fic that I've read, the story continues to use male pronouns throughout. This makes all the sense in the world, from a self-identification standpoint, but I have occasionally found it confusing, particularly during sex scenes. Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?

In other news, Avatar continues to be the most fucking amazing show ever, and particularly from a gender standpoint. I really need to rhapsodize about "The Boiling Rock" parts one and two, at some point. (I will also definitely finish that crack!comic this weekend, which maybe two or three other people will appreciate.)

By the way, Rel, I am enjoying the hell out of your Revenge Tragedy mix; I think there are a few artists I may need to look into further. And appropriately, one of the roomies and I are going to watch Sweeney Todd (the Depp version) tonight. (Why is my life so themed lately? It is practically color-coded.)

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[sweetvalleyslut.livejournal.com]

Hee. I try not to get defensive about the emo thing anymore, since MCR doesn't really care, but my innate desire to correct people who are WRONG always comes out anyway. It's funny how little it applies to any of the bandom bands anymore, especially Panic, no matter what random definition of the word you're using. Though Gerard recently did declare himself "the Sheriff of Emotown," which makes me giggle.

I get really annoyed if a sexswapped character changes pronouns. Pete or Spencer or whoever (I think I can come up with a sexswap story about just about everyone in bandom, how awesome is that?) is still a dude, that's still how they identify--if it's not then you're telling a completely different story. How other people in the story refer to them might be a little flexible, but I'd expect at least some of them to be pissed if their bandmates or whoever started using female pronouns for them, since their gender is still male.

And it never really confuses me anymore, but that's probably because I have read a hell of a lot of this stuff. And I'd much rather be mildly confused than have to stop reading porn because someone has made me think that they have bad gender politics. I think most people who will actually read sexswap feel the same way.

Relatedly, I want boy!Alicia/girl!Mikey porn.

I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOUR COMIC. I CANNOT WAIT. ALSO, &AVATAR; Too soon to write Spoiler/Spoiler prison sex/hc/revenge plotting?

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

The trouble is that, you know, I was trying to restrain myself from talking too much about bandom (and not really succeeding already), so being defensive is like, opening the floodgates? Tsk. (Also, fucking hilarious Western crack!AU, thank you so much GWay.)

Really excellent points all. I'm too compartmentalized: genderfuck has so little to do with real trans issues anyway (most of the time) that I hadn't really thought about it in that context much until I started discussing it with Lisbet last night.

My trouble is that I have difficulty with character voices in fanfic (even when they're AU/random bodily alteration-free): writing them (which is why I usually don't), and even hearing them when I read. I'm really going to have to sit down and watch a whole lot of interviews before I try to write girl!Gerard.

Relatedly, I want boy!Alicia/girl!Mikey porn.
Mmmm, that sounds good. Particularly if girl!Mikey were well-characterized, dammit.

*laughs* I'm glad you're excited, even though you have already seen it! It is going to be good to have a weekend to work (that sounds funny). And hell no, you should write it! (I'm not even sure which exact pairing you mean, but you should write them all anyway!)

[sweetvalleyslut.livejournal.com]

Mmmm, that sounds good. Particularly if girl!Mikey were well-characterized, dammit.

LOL, so bitter. This would be sexswap, not an AU--like, this is how Alicia and Mikey spend their break. Figuring out how to have sex with each other in their new bodies. Sometimes Alicia purposefully draws attention to how much she looks like Pete (not that she doesn't do this in her girl body anyway). And it's tough getting girl!Mikey off because he's new at this and, well, medicated, but he doesn't want to stop trying, and Alicia's usually a girl so she knows how it goes, so they just...have sex for hours and hours. To practice.

I meant between the two characters who end up in prison at the end! Though I realized as I wrote that that it could mean absolutely anyone, and I would read it all too. Have I mentioned how much I want Sokka/Suki sparring that turns into sex? Especially if they're still kind of in the friendsish place and still have only kissed a couple of times and it's really awkward for awhile?

Also stories where they are maaaaaarried and have baaaaaaabies though that is mostly just the background for the Aang/Katara/Zuko angsty threesome story.

I should probably stop torturing you with all these things I will never write, right?

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

On the one hand, yes, it is torture. Good lord. You are as bad as some other people! Which is why I am in this fic writing predicament in the first place.

That doesn't mean I want you to stop, though! ^^;

[olivia-circe.livejournal.com]

This is how I feel about your post:

Emo: Stupid label. Go you!
Fic: Yay!
Pronouns: Do not confuse me, but I wonder how much of that is because I am never really confused by gender complications.
Avatar: Must. Watch. More.
Music: What artists are you liking that you did not know about before? I am always up for sharing music. Also, I should probably confess that I had a very hard time not putting the entire Sweeney Todd musical soundtrack on the mix.

[olivia-circe.livejournal.com]

Oh, and also:

COMIC: YAY YAY YAY!

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

*laughs*

Gender complications in real life don't tend to confuse me much. It's just that, when you write a character I am familiar with as same gender/different sex, I have visualization issues, I guess.

Maybe there should be more illustrated fic. Hmmm, that's an idea. (Oh god no.)

You must watch more Avatar! Join us in the world of fucking awesome, Rel! (It's like, the only fandom that bandom hasn't managed to totally distract me from . . . and it doesn't even have a fandom, really. Which is incredibly, incredibly tragic, dammit.)

Hmm. Well, I have never heard Vienna Teng before, and her song is gorgeous. I do of course have some Smashing Pumpkins and Franz Ferdinand, but I should have more; also Fairport Convention (I have this great "best of Sandy Denny" album, that's it). And while I've certainly heard of the New Pornographers, I don't have any of their stuff.

It's really not much of a comic, but yeah. :) I hope I can think of more, fancomics are so damn fun to do.

[hermionesviolin.livejournal.com]

Which Vienna Teng song? I adore "Drought" but don't know much else -- though musesfool is a big fan, so I may have scattered mp3s from her.

Oh, and I have scads of The New Pornographers (and Immaculate Machine), largely thanks to my friend trijinx. And I randomly acquired a bunch of Smashing Pumpkins albums a while back that I probably still have and could rip for you.

[olivia-circe.livejournal.com]

My Medea (http://www.sendspace.com/file/pmox3q). I think a lot of my Vienna Teng tracks come from musesfool, too, actually. :D

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

Ooh, well, if you get around to ripping stuff, that'd be lovely. :) I mean, I have various sources, and my brother probably has a lot of New Pornographers also, but. Music! Always welcome.

[hermionesviolin.livejournal.com]

zip files:
* Vienna Teng (http://www.mediafire.com/?1x9d14h1kcl)
* The New Pornographers (1) (http://www.mediafire.com/?wx9qs5jmnzv)
* The New Pornographers (2) (http://www.mediafire.com/?ojzpg2esafv)
* Immaculate Machine (http://www.mediafire.com/?mjmqxzivzty)
* Smashing Pumpkins - Adore (http://www.mediafire.com/?xrzyd4odgl1)
* Smashing Pumpkins - Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1: dawn to dusk) (http://www.mediafire.com/?0zhe0en3j1w)
* Smashing Pumpkins - Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (2: twilight to starlight) (http://www.mediafire.com/?rtyngxeeamy)
* Smashing Pumpkins - Pisces Iscariot (http://www.mediafire.com/?m34gn1bbatn)
* Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream (http://www.mediafire.com/?dwgb3427fcz)

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

. . . good lord, honey. Thank you so much! I have dl'ed it all to my laptop, will have to start listening ASAP. (The only bit I didn't dl is "Pisces Iscariot," which is randomly the only Smashing Pumpkins album I own.)

[olivia-circe.livejournal.com]

I think there should definitely be more illustrated fic. But I do see your point with the visualization issues. I think I'd be inclined to get extra-descriptive in my writing, but strangely enough, I have not actually written any genderfuck, so I don't know.

I will! Soon! I swear! And then there will be more of a fandom! By one person, anyway. Um.

OMG, I LOVE VIENNA TENG SO MUCH. I only have a handful of her songs, but her voice. I've been slowly accumulating more Smashing Pumpkins, but I only have that one self-titled Franz Ferdinand album. It's a great album, though. And weirdly, Matty Groves is the only Fairport Convention song I have, and I have it because it came on a mix of Murder Ballads my friend cabell made ages and ages ago. Murder Ballads ftw! I'm just getting into the New Pornographers, but I really like them. Mmmmmm music. Music! \o/

Coooooommmmmmiiiiiic. The end.

[reflectedeve.livejournal.com]

*grin* Every new person helps.

Yeah, Vienna Teng's voice is pretty swoon-worthy, I'm going to have to get more. And huh, it sounds like I'm really going to have to make you a mix sometime (though mine are not nearly so nifty and themed). Yes, music. \o/

Hee. God, I hope I'm not so struck with inspiration (for multiple things) that I wind up accomplishing nothing after all. :p It's happened before.